Re: bye bye Gleaner????

I can deal with a change with Gleaner, but I'd much rather see an all-new design [just as the N's were some 30 years ago] but NOT copy an existing one, like a rotary Massey and just re-paint it.

After over 80 years, Gleaner is just BETTER than that. They need to show it.

 

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Although I have never saw a Gleaner in Scotland let alone in the UK, just by looking at pictures and specs they seem to keep an old design running in their new machines. Every time they bring out a new machine their seems to be no WOW about it.

If you take John Deere a lot of people seem to go WOW like when they brung out the bend-able auger at the back everyone was like WOW, AMAZING but Gleaner dosen't seem to have that effect(my view).

God bless,

- Gordon

 

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If you take John Deere a lot of people seem to go WOW like when they brung out the bend-able auger at the back everyone was like WOW, AMAZING but Gleaner dosen't seem to have that effect(my view).

Like when John Deere decided 20 year old rotor technology might be a better combine.....We went WOW

. Within 6 months our 9600's turned into 2388's before the resale sunk (no wheat here) on the conventional.

Personally I think the Gleaner combine might be falling due to lack of dealer push. We have a good size Gleaner dealer 25 miles south of me. He has never set foot on our property want us to demo one.
So we know nothing about them.
Good Luck

 

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Quote:Like when John Deere decided 20 year old rotor technology might be a better combine.....We went WOW . Within 6 months our 9600's turned into 2388's before the resale sunk (no wheat here) on the conventional.

I hope this does not sound stuped but are you agreewith with me there?

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God bless,

- Gordon

 

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I agree with b575. They have to be pushed. Local MF dealer is pushing the 9690 and it's turned into quit a few deals. But there some good Gleaner dealers around. Hurnt in N. Dakota is one. Dealers like that could do alot of the brand world wide if AGCO listened. I hope they don't drop the line. Gleaner owners are known for being very loyal but most would be so discusted with AGCO that they'll trade for another brand and all the rest of their equipment would fallow. Plus I've heard of a few good ideas of how to make a larger Gleaner. 2 smaller rotors mounted on either side could do it. Either way AGCO I think sees the future in the Axial flow and i'm sure so does AGCOs lenders.

Take care,

Nathan

 

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Quote:
Quote:Like when John Deere decided 20 year old rotor technology might be a better combine.....We went WOW . Within 6 months our 9600's turned into 2388's before the resale sunk (no wheat here) on the conventional.

I hope this does not sound stuped but are you agreewith with me there?

.....

God bless,

- Gordon



YUP! 100%.....................Only my "WOW" is a negative

...........Your "WOW" seems positive

Nothing on a Deere combine has impressed me for over 20 years, but I guess thats just me. They sure selll allot of them over here!

Good Luck

 

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Quote:YUP! 100%.....................Only my "WOW" is a negative ...........Your "WOW" seems positive
Nothing on a Deere combine has impressed me for over 20 years, but I guess thats just me. They sure selll allot of them over here!


Good Luck

O.K, I know what you are saing about John Deere for 20 years but I feel that the whole farming community went WOW when they brung out the bend-able auger as this was very unusual! Maybe I'm wrong but I felt this.

As you said, they sure do sell them and even over here in Scotland, UK they sell them like they were never going to make them again.

God bless,

- Gordon

 

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This has kind of been beat to death, but the Gleaner as it is now will be around for as long as there are orders for it. There will be additions to the line as posted before, and there are new models coming down the line. Eventually it would make common sense to have a common platform. Combine the best of boths worlds so to speak. There are more desirable features on the Gleaner cleaning system and if one needs more cylinder and related capacity as in a 8 or 9 class the MF has things to offer, so reading between the lines..... but you are a fews years out here. In the meantime the Gleaner still outsells the MF but who knows what the new marketing strategy will yieled. One thing is for certain, the new products will rely on some proven patened features form both lines.

 

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tbran i wll agree with you on one part the gleaner has a good cleaning system when they get it in the massey watch out that is all it lacks, well i take that back agco should get ride of one auger system and go to the one MF designed that being the one that the gleaner combines have! seems dumb to me to off 3 auger choices keep the actual gleaner one and then use the one that MF designed and nuts can the one they have on the MF's now. but with the new combines comming out i guess its too late now. the MF line is the leader of the combines now the gleaner as everybody says, don't see how people keep thinking Gleaner is out selling the MF line but MF is number 1. i just hope for agco's sake they at least keep the combines different colors if they go to 1 color well they will lose one brand or another which ever it may be. we are prolly like you all gleaner guys if it was to go all red, u would all not go to MF well we are the same way on the gleaner side paint is very cheap. our dealer thinks it will happen he hopes not all of his customers are saying kiss us goodbye if they go to silver so i hope for agco's sake they are listening. but i just wish they would get ahead of the game they are lacking in my area badly when MF was in control they were bringing things out first now they are the last ones to bring stuff out! its not helping them here, but there are a few people changing from green to red but very few, both guys said they weren't gonna pay deeres high prices and not get anything more out of a machine. so i think they have it made there if they can keep things lower priced than deere or case! there is a lot of talk in my area of the MF combines making a comeback i hope so to give deere and case a run for their money!

 

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O.K, I know what you are saing about John Deere for 20 years but I feel that the whole farming community went WOW when they brung out the bend-able auger as this was very unusual! Maybe I'm wrong but I felt this.

As you said, they sure do sell them and even over here in Scotland, UK they sell them like they were never going to make them again.

God bless,

- Gordon

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I'd guess the guys with narrow roads or custom harvesters who haul combines around would find the bendable auger very usefull.........
Over here in the great wide yonder.........It looks like just another peice of equipment to maintain and worry about failure. No real use for it.

Good Luck to ya Scottie!

 

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Here in Scotland it is very usefull when storing it in a shed as it takes up less room!


Quote:Good Luck to ya Scottie!

Hmm.....thanks

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God bless,

- Gordon

 

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Yes, it's true the MF now has the same final drives, uses the rasp bars in a totally different configuration though and as far as heads I'm not sure when they were developed.
The chassis all Massey, been basically the same since 1986 MF 8560.

The Cab developed long after MF was bought came out in 2003. 8780 and 8780XP from 1997 to 2002 had MF cab which I always thought was nicer then the gleaner cab. Rasp bars big deal,
Final drives, installed gleaner finals on MF 8780 in 1997. Probably did because they were developing C62/8680 at the same time which was basically a gleaner design so it's easier to redesign the 1 MF design for new finals then the 2 gleaner platforms that were going to be in production.

Gleaners have taken some stuff from Massey also, CDF rotor that supposed to be so great, basically an MF rotor.

Most importantly though, the Cab, final drives, etc, just bits added to the combine. the major thing is the heart of the combine or the philosophy of how to combine grain, EX MF rotary way vs Natural flow. And from what it sounds like AGCO feels that the MF philosophy is the way of the future and is what they will sell in the future.

 

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I will have to agree with IlGleaner here, too. I'm not saying that MF (&() is wrong about seeing such an increase of Masseys in his particular locale, but all in all, Massey was very inactive in combines for a number of years in recent history. I'm all for the comeback of the Massey name, but just don't want to see it done at the expense of an other equally big name, and one that was also standing so strong back whe the original and true Massey-Ferguson faltered.

There is a Gleaner dealer about 2 hours from me who is still in business. About 11 years ago, we lost not only the largest Gleaner house in the state, but what a lot of people also called the largest one in the country. I don't know if the latter was true, but he was one huge-volume combine dealer. I can testify to this much: when he was in business, there were MORE galvanized combines in that town than people!!!

No wonder I used to just love going there--and spending at east half a day or more!

Yes, we still have some but not many Gleaner [AGCO] dealers her in Oklahoma and in Texas. Most of they are moving is Gleaner, not Massey or Challenger. I can't speak for Iowa, Illinois and Indiana because I never get up there to see what's going on.

 

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I couldn't even tell you in southern ill where a gleaner dealer is

honestly.....


Some old guys have the reall small one's...F2's or whatever

but thats pretty much it

I do see them at farm shows and i'll take a look at them in louisville ky

thats about the only time i see them or massey

 

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I know Gleaner doesnt sell that many combines compared to JD and CASE, but you are all wet thinking that ,I havent seen a new Massey sold in this county in years.And I know of alot of R62 and R72's around. I would like to see the numbers on new combine sales, I would bet that Gleaner is ahead of Massey in the USA for new combines sold in the last 5 years. You have a pretty good combine now that you have our frame,final drives,cylinder bars,cab,and heads,all you need now is our cleaning system,and you will have your Red Gleaner.

IG

 

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I dont know what you consider southern ILL, But there is one in Albion,T-Town,Vandalia,Albers,Harrisburg,Nashville, are the ones I can think of that are south of Int. 70

IG

 

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So,Jus take all those little things away,that you mention(The finals,cab,cylinder bars,Heads,look at a gleaner head and tell me that isnt a gleaner head painted red.The guards are the same as back in the 80's.kid yourself if you want.) And you have the heart and sole of your combine DEVELOPED by WHITE IN THE 80's. I guess you have nothing more then an engine,I am sure it is a Massey,Wait a minute that is a Cummins, I guess you have your red paint,and your stickers that make yours a Massey.

IG

 

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IG, you are absolutely correct. It is important to know and to remember that historically, the rotary we now call "Massey" was a true development of WHITE!!!

White may not have been a long-lived corporation by many others' standards, but it did produce some really fine combines and other machinery in it's nearly 30-year history. The White heritage is just as important to that line of combines as knowing the heritage of the 83 year old Gleaner combines.

 

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well ilgleaner in my area there are no gleaners in my area of the rotors there is 1 F2 i think so i guess that means in my area massey is winning big in this area! there are 4 old conventional masseys as well as the new masseys, one thing agco needs to do is lengthen the sieves and that would fix a lot of our problems like case and deere have did there is not enough area to keep up with the 2 of them in my area but we can put a cleaner sample in the tank! but one thing all of the MF people at our dealership has said is that when the gleaner stuff was brought into the MF combines we started having problems with it being the gleaner stuff and we told the rep in the area and he said yeah we are having problems from 1998 until about last year we had problems i think they finally fixed them. then i asked our area gleaner dealer as well and he said yeah they have had problems the big one is feederhouse chain keeps jumping off a cog did it 9 times in a year dealer fixed it the last 3 times and had a gleaner dealer look at it was well the last time when they were down checking out our buhler. this was with 600 hours so nothing was shot, our old 8570 never did have this problem and replaced the chain at 2000 hrs at 1200 hours the other chain was shot they are going backwards in our opinion. agco should have kept the MF engineers and we would not of had a lot of them problems. i do think the cabs on the 9000's series is way below of what we had with the XP's cab, they have went dowhill in that aspect and its not very well liked in our area a lot of guys are complaining the rep said it would change with the new series i hope so since we can't see in front of the steering wheel have to lean over, and where they put the AC unit right in all that dirt and dust nice thinking but they told us since it will work on gleaner it will work on MF WRONG AND BOY WERE THEY had nothing but problems with it as well. i have nothing against agco taking the good and bad from both MF and Gleaner and making a whole better unit but don't just take it off a gleaner and put it on a MF and say it will work like they did! to change a rotor bearing now you have to take the feederhouse off before we could do it in about 1 hour now our dealer told us it take 4 hours to do one now having to take the feederhouse off. in my area Gleaners are non existant they just are. i just wish agco would get more dealers and that would help them a lot some dealers too far away to get parts that is what hurts MF and Gleaner both we are about 40 minutes from our MF dealer and tack on about another 15 mins to get to the Gleaner one while case Ih and deere are about 20 mins

 

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Man with all of that stuff going wrong on your combine, I would get rid of it.Are you trying to tell me that the feeder chains are also gleaner? If you want to change something on the rotor,You could have one out of a gleaner on the floor in 30 minutes . I guess I am just lucky with the air conditioner,I have not had any problems with either on my 2 R72's I think that a gleaner makes alot less dust at the feeder house then other brands though.One of my 72's have 1500 and the other 1200 hours and they both have the original feeder chains in them,the problem must have come after 99 ,because that is my newest.I am not talking in my area or yours , I am saying over the United States,There have been alot more Gleaners sold new then Massey in the last 5 years,All areas are different.They will fix that shoe problem you have when they put the GLEANER accelerator rolls on your massey. You wont need a longer shoe or have loss on side hills.Cant say as far as Cabs compared to the XP's never saw one in the area around here new or used.The last Massey running in our county was a 8570,he traded it in on a new deere last year,and it is still sitting there.

IG

 

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Hey dont forget that the ALLIS GLEANER COMPANY bought you guys out or you would no longer be.
Have a good one,

ILLINOIS GLEANER

 

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I have had 4 gleaners and 2 Masseys and there is no way I would go back to a gleaner. There has been many mod's to masseys which are from the agco merger. Look closely to design. The manufacturer is leaning toward the massey design. Ooops I'm sorry the White design. When Massey purchased White design: they new with they're patent feeder beater, that they could build a unbelievable combine. Yes they got some parts from gleaner: but the only parts they are getting simplify manufacturing. I bet if massey engineers were forced to drop the new design: they would bring back the 860 before they further develop a R72

 

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Vandalia

????????

where is there a dealer in vandalia?

 

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Amazing how many things are still to this day taken from white

and how good there tractors have held up

well besides that dumb hercules engine they have really been swell

Just like the olivers

Mckormick is back....so why not olivers

 

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Vandalia is on Int. 70 about halfway across the state from either side. There is a Agco/NH dealer there. Our local NH dealer in Newton bought them about a year ago.They are right across the road from the Deere dealer. Wherle Bros is the Deere dealer. Vandalia Tractor is the Agco/NH dealer.
IG